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We feature a number of icon it girls in our music video for 360.
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Are there any girls you regret including?
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No.
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Good.
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Me too.
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It's going to be inconclusive.
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It's a lie.
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Inconclusive.
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What?
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No.
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I that's, I Stephanie is with me.
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Charlie, do you know why you're here today?
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Yes.
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Do I say why?
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This is Stephanie, our polygraph operator.
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Hi.
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Hello.
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I'm Charlie.
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Nice to meet you.
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Nice to meet you.
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Are you ready to be hooked up?
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Ready as I'll ever be, I guess.
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So, this is going to go around your chest.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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This is like the real deal.
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It's the real deal.
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God.
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Oh, god.
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Getting more and more nervous.
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Thank you.
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Gosh.
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I'm going to start by asking a few questions to get a baseline for the machine.
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Please answer honestly.
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Okay.
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Is your name Charlotte Emma Herson?
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Yes.
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Were you born in Cambridge, England?
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Yes.
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Are you ready to take this lie detector test?
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I don't feel it, but yeah, sure.
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Yeah.
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Stephanie, are we ready to go?
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The machine has been calibrated.
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I'm so nervous.
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Okay, let's start with your life.
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You recently joined the blogging platform Substack.
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Did you do this to counteract your party girl persona?
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No.
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Can writers be 365 party girls?
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Yes.
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I mean, Hunter S. Thompson, he partied pretty hard.
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So, yeah.
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God, my heart is beating so fast.
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Am I lying?
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So far, you've been truthful.
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Wow.
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Be honest.
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Did you start a Substack to compete with this literary pop star?
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My heart is beating so fast.
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Who is it?
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Do I?
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No.
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Do you think you're a better writer than this famous journalist?
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No, I don't really know much of her work, to be honest.
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I've never watched Sex in the City.
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Do you track how many likes your posts get on Substack?
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No.
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On any other platform?
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Yeah.
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Do you read the comments?
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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Let's move on to your career.
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Okay.
2:25
You initially wrote the song I Love It for yourself, but ended up giving it to this group Icono Pop.
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Do you wish you kept it for yourself?
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No.
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Are there any songs of yours that you wish you gave away?
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Uh, yes.
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What songs?
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Break the rules.
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I didn't really like it when I wrote it.
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And I remember when I wrote it, I initially was thinking I would give it away.
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And I was like, "Whoever ends up singing this is an idiot."
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And it was me.
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So, yeah.
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Have you ever ghost written for anybody?
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Um, no.
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No.
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So, you're the type of person who needs to be given their flowers?
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I don't need it, but I like it.
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Are you ever frustrated that some people get song credits just for being present in the room?
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Yes.
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Do you get territorial overcrediting?
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Sometimes, yeah, but not when I'm working with my friends and it's been like very constructive and honest.
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But when there's someone who's trying to claim something for sitting in, then yeah, definitely.
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That was true.
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Has anyone ever asked to cover one of your songs and you said no?
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Um, a few, but I have, yeah, said no.
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Sorry.
3:45
Emerald Fennel asked you to write a song for her new film, Withering Heights, and you decided to record an entire album.
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Would you say you're an overachiever?
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Um, I can be.
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And then sometimes I can get super lazy, but it's sort of a pendulum swing, I would say.
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Did you want to match her maximalist vision?
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Uh, not deliberately.
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I wanted to do what was right for the script that I read.
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Do you think Emerald Fennel ever takes things too far?
4:16
No, Stephanie.
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Uh, false test.
4:23
Let's move on to pop culture.
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You were once mistaken for this person, Lord, in an interview, and you went along with it.
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Mhm.
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Does it bother you when people don't know who you are?
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Um, I think it depends how I'm feeling in myself that day.
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Like sometimes it's like a real ego bash and other times I'm fine with it.
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Aside from Lord, who else have you been mistaken for?
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I've been mistaken for Ma Kunis, which is such a compliment and I don't see at all.
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Um, and also Sasha Gray.
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So, yeah.
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Which is sick.
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She's sick.
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Do you have a go-to disguise for when you don't want to be recognized?
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No, because I kind of love it.
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So, very truthful.
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You frequently log the movies you watch on Letterbox.
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Have you ever lied about watching a movie just to seem more interesting?
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Um, I think when I was younger for sure, but recently no.
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Stephanie, truthful.
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Have you ever met a director at a party and lied about loving their work?
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I have done like a half lie.
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I've never been like, "Oh my god, I love your work."
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I've been like, "Congratulations.
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That film must have been really hard to make."
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or something like that.
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So, it's like I'm not saying like fully the truth, but I'm also not like going against the fact that maybe I didn't like their film.
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Will you read the letter box reviews of your upcoming films?
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Yeah, definitely.
5:49
Speaking of social media, have you ever spent hours watching lip syncs of your songs on Tik Tok?
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Um, no.
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Stephanie, inconclusive.
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Oh, I watched like stuff about me on Tik Tok, but not like specifically lip syncs.
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What about hours of a different rabbit hole on Tik Tok?
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Oh, yeah.
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All the time.
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It can be anything.
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There's been like a big like shock like rabbit hole recently, but then it could also just be like people doing the apple dance or something.
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It's, it's there's many hours wasted on Tik Tok.
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Yeah.
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Do you have a secret Tik Tok account to respond to trolls?
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No, I don't.
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So, you only have one Tik Tok account?
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It's true.
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I could get my phone out and show you right now.
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That was truthful.
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Thanks, Stephanie.
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Thanks, Stephanie.
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I have someone else that would like to ask you some questions.
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Oh, god.
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Okay.
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Have I been lying too much?
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You've been very truthful for the most part, I would say.
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YES.
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HELLO, CHARLIE XX.
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Hi, Aiden Zamiri.
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Do you know who I am?
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Yeah.
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Nice.
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Nice.
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How is it going?
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It's going well.
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Yeah.
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Do you like to lie?
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Yeah.
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When I get away with it.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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So, you're not enjoying this that much?
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Well, no.
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I, yeah.
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I've been very truthful.
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Yeah.
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We happened to shoot a Vanity Fair story together.
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In fact, it was Vanity Fair cover.
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Mhm.
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Yes, I remember it.
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Do you like that picture?
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Yes.
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Cool.
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Cool.
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You recently tried your hand at photography.
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Uh, so do you think it's kind of easy to be a photographer?
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Yes.
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Oh, but I will say with a great photo assistant who does pretty much everything for you.
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So easy.
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Cool.
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Do you think you'll keep doing it?
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You know, the shoot that you're referring to happened yesterday.
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Yesterday I thought, oh, I'm never going to do this again.
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But this morning, I woke up and I was like, maybe I'm kind of good at that.
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So, the out.
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Cool.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Well, watch this space, I guess.
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Yeah.
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Nice.
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All right.
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Enough of that.
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Not only are you the star of our upcoming film, The Moment is actually based on your original idea.
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Do you think all of your ideas should be made into movies?
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Definitely not.
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Speaking of our experience on set, did I, did I ever annoy you?
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Yes.
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Oh, right.
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Well, do you want to talk about that or I mean, what do you want to know?
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When did I annoy you?
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Like, like a few times like when I had to go up on the wires.
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That was annoying.
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Yeah, I told you that.
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It's not my fault.
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Yeah, but it's, I need to take it out on someone.
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You read the script.
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You knew it was happening.
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I know, but I get to be volatile.
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That's part of who I am.
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Okay.
9:02
Okay.
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All right.
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Well, I'm glad that I could provide that service for you.
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Am I lying?
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You're being truthful.
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We have a very honest relationship.
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You can be really annoying sometimes.
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Fine.
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That was the truth, wasn't it?
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It was 100%.
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100% truth.
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I will say since you've sat there, my heart rate's dropped, which is nice.
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That's the truth.
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Also truthful.
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Yeah, I can really like not feel it.
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Okay, so there's a combination of things happening.
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I might be annoying, but I also put you at ease.
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Yeah, cuz you're not very intimidating, which I know you hate.
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You hate that.
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I, that's fine.
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I'd rather, I'd rather be approachable.
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I'd rather be approachable and a friend and a good collaborator.
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Okay.
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That intimidating a pop star, you know.
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All right.
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I'm scared to ask this actually.
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Am I your favorite director that I've worked with or ever in the world?
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Let's say that one.
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Let's say that one.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Thank god that appeared to be truthful.
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Oh my god.
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Sorry to everyone else.
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Where's the camera?
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Sorry you guys.
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Anyway, thanks Stephanie.
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Thanks Charlie.
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Um, have you ever lied about liking my work?
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No.
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Inconclusive.
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OH, I think I like all of your work.
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I'm trying to think.
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I'm like thinking to work I haven't liked.
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Something about videos and photo shoot.
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Oh, there is a video I'm not, I don't like love.
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I'm not going to say I don't honestly want to know.
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But I think it's, it's still like a good video.
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But you don't love it.
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I think I know what it is.
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Talk about it later.
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Don't let, yeah.
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And, and you're probably right.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, I think, okay.
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Interesting.
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Listen, back to the moment, the matter at hand.
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Mhm.
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Do you see this film as the official end of Brat?
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It could be, but it also could give it a bit of a boost.
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I don't know.
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Okay, cool.
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So, you'd be down for a kind of brat summer.
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Well, as long as I don't have to go on tour and do more stuff.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Hand it off to the fans.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Got it.
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Got it.
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Cuz you're open to it, you being kind of culturally brat summer part three, but as long as you don't have to do anything.
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As long as I get to stay at home.
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Yes.
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Cool.
11:41
Cool.
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Nice.
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All right.
11:41
In this film, you chose to be a more commercially viable version of yourself rather than retaining your artistic integrity when you let this man direct your concert film.
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Yeah.
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In real life, have you ever felt like you sold out?
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Yes, 100%.
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Do you care?
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Uh, does that sound like, I think like at the time I was like, this is a great idea and then when I didn't really get the payoff that I wanted I was like that sucked.
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You know what I mean, right?
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Is that true?
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All truthful.
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God, you're, you're really good at this.
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I haven't told like a real lie lie.
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It's been inconclusive, right?
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Or has there been one where you're like that was a lie?
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Yeah.
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The former.
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Yeah.
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It's been soft deception.
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Soft deception.
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It's kind of a great.
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That's kind of a great title for something, isn't it?
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Yeah.
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Soft deception based on an original idea by Stephanie.
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Yes, you can have it.
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Thank you.
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That's the sequel or something.
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The moment to soft deception.
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Yeah.
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Cool.
12:51
All right.
12:51
Next up.
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I attended both of your weddings this year.
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Do you remember what I got you?
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Yes.
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You got me photographs.
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Cool.
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Cuz I love your work.
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Thanks.
13:04
Thank you.
13:04
Great.
13:04
Cool.
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At that wedding, is there anyone you wish you hadn't invited?
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Yeah, but it wasn't, they were, that was more like a George person.
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Is that true?
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Very truthful.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I, I'm happy with every person I invited.
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I wanted there.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Cool.
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I had the best time.
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It was so much fun.
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Mhm.
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You know, you had fun.
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Yes, I had fun.
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Cool.
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All right.
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We feature a number of icon it girls in our music video for 360.
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Are there any girls you regret including?
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I knew that was coming.
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No.
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Good.
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Me, too.
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It's going to be inconclusive.
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It's a lie.
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Inconclusive.
13:51
What?
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No.
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I, that's, I Stephanie's with me.
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Stephanie wants to be in the video.
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LOOK, I YES, she's mad she wasn't in here.
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Look, I wanted everyone in the video.
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That is the truth.
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I'm nervous.
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And I, I'm like, I'm nervous now.
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People are going to start theorizing.
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I know.
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I wanted every single girl that was in that video in the video.
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Anyone you wish had been in it that wasn't?
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Yeah.
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Who?
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Addison.
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Great.
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Emily, great.
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Rat Paloma.
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Wow.
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Lots more.
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I'm drawing, I'm drawing blanks.
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Well, that was three awesome ones.
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Yeah.
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Um, final question.
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Did you lie at any point during this lie detector test and we didn't catch you?
14:44
I, I really don't think I lied.
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I can't believe you.
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IS THAT INCONCLUSIVE?
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IT looks like you were probably being mostly truthful.
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It feels quite inexact as a science.
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No, I'm just telling the truth.
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Soft truth.
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You kind of said that up top that you're sort of, um, you kind of hold back a bit of information.
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Sometimes you say something that sounds like a compliment.
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Well, I do a thing where I go, I say I'm, I'm sort of giving like a kind of more vague answer of like, yeah, I think for some people that could really work, but for me, I'm just not really sure if that was right for that moment in my life.
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Right.
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I don't know what that means.
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Right.
15:23
Right.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to know.
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I don't want to know.
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All truthful.
15:28
See?
15:28
Wow.
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Okay.
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Going to cheat the test.
15:31
Anyways, I think you did amazing, Charlie.
15:35
Thanks.
15:35
And if anything, this was fun.
15:37
Yeah.